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The Post Where I Officially Claim Heresy While Discussing Jesus For President

Posted in christianity, culture, heresy, life, politics, religion by amoslanka on August 15, 2008

I know I’m behind the bandwagon with reading Jesus For President by Shane Claiborne and Chris Haw. I guess I didn’t get the memo that being Emergent was cool. Ok, so maybe Claiborne et. al. doesn’t perfectly fit the Emergent mold, but its close enough and Parker sure thinks it does. (zing!)

Regardless, I always metaphorically kick myself when I remember the many thought processes I go through and exercises of the mind that I experience in reading books. Nothing gives a better feeling and suppresses concerns of heresy and madness1 more than reading the ideas you’ve had in the work of others. (only much more accurately articulated) I feel more led to conversation and discussion of these ideas than almost anything in life and this is where blogging comes in.

The entire reason I started blogging in the first place was to share this journey. As humans, we are fools if we see this life as a means to an end. Life is about the daily love, not the self-indulgent reward of our idea of heaven. Am I a heretic yet? Suggesting that our purpose in life is not its resolution in heaven but rather the love we exhibit en route? 

Perhaps I should start counting heretical posts. This isn’t the first, but it is the first in which I claim heresy.2

Actually, I did write a post a couple weeks ago on which I worked until four in the morning. The post was basically about the falseness of one major premise on which we live our lives, the premise of expansion of any form of human institution. Government, the church, the economy, globalism, etc. It ties in to the God-Complex and our sub-conscious attempt to be like God, which in turn is the definition of Fallenness.

I suppose it would be unfair of me to not mention that my dive into Jesus For President isn’t without skepticism. I have a tendency to write what I think of books inside their front cover, just under my name and the month and year I read the book. Perhaps its my way of writing my in-the-moment perception of the book for the sake of memory. What I particularly wrote in the cover of JFP (even though I’m only 100 pages in) was that Shane and Chris provide all the arguments I’d hoped to hear. The ideas surrounding Christ and the truth about God’s intent and idealism have even given me hints of a place of truth that I always knew existed, but could never put a finger on. The kind of homely feeling where you know you’re in a place either physically or mentally where you belong. The kind of place you know exists deep within you but if you haven’t found it or haven’t been shown the way there, you proceed through life despite the empty feeling.

Anyway, what I wrote in the front cover was that thus far, the arguments all line up, but somewhere in the conclusions I still catch this bad taste of political negativism. Of course for those of you who know me, you know I come from the political right. My life has been defined by conservative values though always disturbed by the ignorance, arrogance, and un-love of the Evangelical movement and the self-absorption of the pro-capitalist movements.The bad taste I refer to comes primarily from what I can’t articulate beyond calling them “bad argumental methods” embedded within the writing that are defined as “bad argumental methods” because they accept the political premises of the left and attack the right with immaturity. I go so far as to call many of them false and immature because the lack of objectivism in those premises seems childish to me. Some of these premises include political mud-slinging, and suggesting the perpetuation and enlargement of a central welfare-state government, and what conservatives call Bush Derangement Syndrome

I can’t say decisively that this is the final conclusion Claiborne and Haw arrive at but its where I see them thus far. Spectacular arguments with a conclusion that was staring them right in the face while they couldn’t help but throw immature jabs at the Christian conservative right and continue to accept the naivete of bleeding-heart liberalism? That might be an extreme statement. Perhaps better to call it “99 out of 100″.

And don’t get me wrong, this isn’t in any way a post arguing the superiority of the right or the goodness of Christian patriotism. Argument tends towards rhetoric, and objectivism leads to truth. Real truth, not pretend truth. The conclusion I think Claiborne and Haw should arrive at (and hope they do) is the rejection of any and all political systems as being based on a false premise: the false premise of our God-Complex. What God was suggesting in his Old Testament direction of the Israelites and what Jesus was exemplifying in his perfect Love was a rejection of the way of humanity in favor of that of God’s.

As humans we build, organize, control, and dominate, all characteristics of an sub-conscious attempt to be like God. Read Genesis again to remember that our attempts to be like God is what defines us as Fallen. God told the people they didn’t want a king, yet they insisted, and Jesus told the Pharisees to “render unto Caesar”. Being in the world but not of the world is not properly illustrated by Christian Fundamentalism’s hijacked suggestion of legalism or gnostic-style-superiority via hidden messages but rather by the radical rejection of participation in power and the active pursuit of Love. God was saying “my way is better” and Jesus echoed with “let Caesar try to be God, you should just love”.

Wow, as I sit and think about that idea even now, I can’t fathom how big it is. Big.

I’ll try to explain more as I continue this book and continue to consider just how revolutionary Christ actually was.

This is the part where I claim heresy for the second time in one post. Actually you could consider it the second and third time, because I am suggesting the rejection of the politics of both left and right. I find it easy to call this heresy in considering the similarities in argument and practice shared by both left and right with dogmatic religion. That will be a conversation for another day.

The simplest hint of God’s suggestion of the rejection of human ways can be found in his use of the Least. God constantly used shepherds and prostitutes and tax collectors and the son of a carpenter from Galilee to do his bidding. People seen by human culture as <em>the Least</em>. God’s way was revolutionary from the start, its just that we as humans never catch on to that idea and in some cases, don’t want to.

Perhaps what I’m suggesting is that maybe the meek really are in the favor of the Lord. Doesn’t that make you want to be a member of the meek?

Footnotes: 

“I realize I am not going mad or completely alone in my heretical thoughts” – Mike @ subversivechurch

2 I should mention that the definition of heresy, at least the definition I go by is the challenging of religious belief, which is an extension of culture, not of true religious ideology. I am ok with claiming heresy because it is humanities interpretation of Christ that I disagree with, not Christ himself.

3 I am now independent, for those of you who are wondering. Not moderate, not “somewhere in the middle”, independent. As in, “floating somewhere up above the dense ignorance of a single-dimensional political spectrum”.

UPDATE: One of the guys with whom I discuss most of my ideas, Parker, had this quote from CS Lewis to add: “Satan tends to unleash falsehoods into the world in pairs, hoping to drive us to either one of two extremes, both of which are sinful in their own way.” Good thought.


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  1. daniel said, on August 15, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    dude, i like the thoughtful post. and the God-complex stuff is really good…i’ve never thought of it that way.

    thanks

  2. rae said, on August 16, 2008 at 7:23 am

    i stumbled onto your myspace from israel beachys, and then to your blog. i’ve got you on my google reader now. :) great post!

  3. markcole said, on August 16, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Both the Republicans and the Democrats have a God-complex that I think Jesus would have a problem with. Both of them are thinking in terms of the American empire solving all of the world’s problems. This is not what the Bible says. Jesus is going to (or has) solve all the world’s problems. I’ve read the whole book – and it does not come down on either the McCain or Obama side decisively. Jesus is not on the ballot.

    Jesus unites the thought of God’s kingdom as both an earth now thing and a heaven future thing in the Lord’s prayer. “Thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.” So the kingdom of God can be an enroute thing as we let Jesus be Lord (president) and our love increases.

    So I don’t think you are a heretic.

  4. subversivechurch said, on August 16, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Glad to have a fellow traveller on this heretical path. Heretical to what, however? The staus quo? Or common accepted pratice? Is it possible that the average Hebrew joe is like the average evangelical joe? And in being the same, Jesus’ message was listened to by the masses, but only carried out and followed to the end by a few? Not like some group of elitists, Jesus admonished his followers for those tendancies, but rather like a ragtag band of misfits hoping for something more in this life.

    I love the writings of Paul, but I …WARNING, HERESY AHEAD… find his need to ‘prove’ his faith and his authority concerning. I wonder if it doesn’t lay the foundation for the church marrying into political power later on. The early church proves its authority by siding with the kingdom of man and… you have to read Consantine’s Sword, that is all I can say. Even if you read the first few chapters in a bookstore.

    -mike

    And P.S.

    I think you’ll be satisfied with the ending. I have said all along, Jesus for President is a dangerous book. Dangerous, blue pill stuff.

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  6. chris (subversive church) said, on August 19, 2008 at 12:50 am

    Amos,
    Great post! These “heretical” paths of thought are always shocking at first. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to step back and say “Holy shit, did I just say that?”… at which time Mike usually says “yes, you did”. It’s scary. Sometimes when those “culture and conformity” warning sirens used to go off in my head, I would jump back and leave it alone. But when i did that it never felt right. It always seemed to linger. I’ve since come to the realization that if something like that happens, I have to go deeper. Sometimes I’m wrong, sometimes I never get an answer at all. But all things work together for good and that questioning honesty (the kind that would lead you to say “heretical” things) is something God put in you for his purpose. Going deeper into who God is and where you fit into that does not mean “find a cloud and get comfortable while someone teaches you” it means question yourself, question others and leave the holy spirit with the task of discerning the truth in each. Take it from someone who has openly been called a heretic by my own family (who are all pastors)… it’s not an easy walk but once you start, it’s for good. Grace and peace, Amos, glad we can each share some part of us here on the interwebs!

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  8. Stephen_Stonestreet said, on August 29, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    God was saying “my way is better” and Jesus echoed with “let Caesar try to be God, you should just love”.

    Profound. Truly.

    I finished that book a few months ago, and it ended so well, I thought… It was amazing. I have had many new thoughts lately though, that have changed my outlook on what they were talking about… it seems a little too radical, and a little too much like the Amish. It is amazing how they can change the people in the impoverished and violent areas of Philly, and I hope to go there and see it first hand in the future. But it seems that they are against the idea of saving money and living frugally, having a nice house or a nice job, which, in my opinion, are not all wrong…

    this is getting a little long, until next time…

  9. amoslanka said, on August 30, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    @stephen — its true, and if I haven’t made it clear in the past, I’m a big proponent of conversations, so even reading books i might not fully agree with still has its value. ideas should be wrestled with and discussed, even if others come down with more or less different conclusions than ourselves. sounds like thats where you’re at – and thinking for yourself is a good thing, not just fully unquestionably accepting the premises our culture is based on.

  10. truthorheresy said, on February 21, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    “The word “heresy” comes from the Greek hairetikos “able to choose” (haireisthai “to choose”). The term heresy is often perceived as a value judgment and the expression of a view from within an established belief system.

    I have a lot of views that are considered heretical by the established religions. But they are probably more in line with the Real Truth as I like to put it.

    Letting others take control of my brain is something I will not do. I believe in critical thinking and question, question, question.


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