Comments on: The Post Where I Officially Claim Heresy While Discussing Jesus For President http://blog.amoslanka.com/2008/08/15/the-post-where-i-officially-claim-heresy-while-discussing-jesus-for-president/ Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:30:44 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: truthorheresy http://blog.amoslanka.com/2008/08/15/the-post-where-i-officially-claim-heresy-while-discussing-jesus-for-president/#comment-2195 truthorheresy Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:36:19 +0000 http://amoslanka.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-2195 "The word "heresy" comes from the Greek hairetikos "able to choose" (haireisthai "to choose"). The term heresy is often perceived as a value judgment and the expression of a view from within an established belief system. I have a lot of views that are considered heretical by the established religions. But they are probably more in line with the Real Truth as I like to put it. Letting others take control of my brain is something I will not do. I believe in critical thinking and question, question, question. “The word “heresy” comes from the Greek hairetikos “able to choose” (haireisthai “to choose”). The term heresy is often perceived as a value judgment and the expression of a view from within an established belief system.

I have a lot of views that are considered heretical by the established religions. But they are probably more in line with the Real Truth as I like to put it.

Letting others take control of my brain is something I will not do. I believe in critical thinking and question, question, question.

]]> By: amoslanka http://blog.amoslanka.com/2008/08/15/the-post-where-i-officially-claim-heresy-while-discussing-jesus-for-president/#comment-755 amoslanka Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:45:27 +0000 http://amoslanka.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-755 @stephen -- its true, and if I haven't made it clear in the past, I'm a big proponent of conversations, so even reading books i might not fully agree with still has its value. ideas should be wrestled with and discussed, even if others come down with more or less different conclusions than ourselves. sounds like thats where you're at - and thinking for yourself is a good thing, not just fully unquestionably accepting the premises our culture is based on. @stephen — its true, and if I haven’t made it clear in the past, I’m a big proponent of conversations, so even reading books i might not fully agree with still has its value. ideas should be wrestled with and discussed, even if others come down with more or less different conclusions than ourselves. sounds like thats where you’re at – and thinking for yourself is a good thing, not just fully unquestionably accepting the premises our culture is based on.

]]> By: Stephen_Stonestreet http://blog.amoslanka.com/2008/08/15/the-post-where-i-officially-claim-heresy-while-discussing-jesus-for-president/#comment-743 Stephen_Stonestreet Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:15:53 +0000 http://amoslanka.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-743 God was saying “my way is better” and Jesus echoed with “let Caesar try to be God, you should just love”. Profound. Truly. I finished that book a few months ago, and it ended so well, I thought... It was amazing. I have had many new thoughts lately though, that have changed my outlook on what they were talking about... it seems a little too radical, and a little too much like the Amish. It is amazing how they can change the people in the impoverished and violent areas of Philly, and I hope to go there and see it first hand in the future. But it seems that they are against the idea of saving money and living frugally, having a nice house or a nice job, which, in my opinion, are not all wrong... this is getting a little long, until next time... God was saying “my way is better” and Jesus echoed with “let Caesar try to be God, you should just love”.

Profound. Truly.

I finished that book a few months ago, and it ended so well, I thought… It was amazing. I have had many new thoughts lately though, that have changed my outlook on what they were talking about… it seems a little too radical, and a little too much like the Amish. It is amazing how they can change the people in the impoverished and violent areas of Philly, and I hope to go there and see it first hand in the future. But it seems that they are against the idea of saving money and living frugally, having a nice house or a nice job, which, in my opinion, are not all wrong…

this is getting a little long, until next time…

]]> By: A Savior On Capitol Hill « movement, movement http://blog.amoslanka.com/2008/08/15/the-post-where-i-officially-claim-heresy-while-discussing-jesus-for-president/#comment-645 A Savior On Capitol Hill « movement, movement Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:17:31 +0000 http://amoslanka.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-645 [...] A Savior On Capitol Hill Posted in poetry, politics, religion, video by amoslanka on August 20th, 2008 Big high fives to Derek Webb for this one, echoing what I had to say last week: [...] [...] A Savior On Capitol Hill Posted in poetry, politics, religion, video by amoslanka on August 20th, 2008 Big high fives to Derek Webb for this one, echoing what I had to say last week: [...]

]]> By: chris (subversive church) http://blog.amoslanka.com/2008/08/15/the-post-where-i-officially-claim-heresy-while-discussing-jesus-for-president/#comment-638 chris (subversive church) Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:50:06 +0000 http://amoslanka.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-638 Amos, Great post! These "heretical" paths of thought are always shocking at first. I can't tell you how many times I've had to step back and say "Holy shit, did I just say that?"... at which time Mike usually says "yes, you did". It's scary. Sometimes when those "culture and conformity" warning sirens used to go off in my head, I would jump back and leave it alone. But when i did that it never felt right. It always seemed to linger. I've since come to the realization that if something like that happens, I have to go deeper. Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I never get an answer at all. But all things work together for good and that questioning honesty (the kind that would lead you to say "heretical" things) is something God put in you for his purpose. Going deeper into who God is and where you fit into that does not mean "find a cloud and get comfortable while someone teaches you" it means question yourself, question others and leave the holy spirit with the task of discerning the truth in each. Take it from someone who has openly been called a heretic by my own family (who are all pastors)... it's not an easy walk but once you start, it's for good. Grace and peace, Amos, glad we can each share some part of us here on the interwebs! Amos,
Great post! These “heretical” paths of thought are always shocking at first. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to step back and say “Holy shit, did I just say that?”… at which time Mike usually says “yes, you did”. It’s scary. Sometimes when those “culture and conformity” warning sirens used to go off in my head, I would jump back and leave it alone. But when i did that it never felt right. It always seemed to linger. I’ve since come to the realization that if something like that happens, I have to go deeper. Sometimes I’m wrong, sometimes I never get an answer at all. But all things work together for good and that questioning honesty (the kind that would lead you to say “heretical” things) is something God put in you for his purpose. Going deeper into who God is and where you fit into that does not mean “find a cloud and get comfortable while someone teaches you” it means question yourself, question others and leave the holy spirit with the task of discerning the truth in each. Take it from someone who has openly been called a heretic by my own family (who are all pastors)… it’s not an easy walk but once you start, it’s for good. Grace and peace, Amos, glad we can each share some part of us here on the interwebs!

]]> By: Defining Heresy « movement, movement http://blog.amoslanka.com/2008/08/15/the-post-where-i-officially-claim-heresy-while-discussing-jesus-for-president/#comment-630 Defining Heresy « movement, movement Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:38:21 +0000 http://amoslanka.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-630 [...] philosophy, religion by amoslanka on August 18th, 2008 On Friday I wrote my first post in which I openly claim heresy instead of only guessing I may be accused of it. A few of the comments (thanks, by the way) both on [...] [...] philosophy, religion by amoslanka on August 18th, 2008 On Friday I wrote my first post in which I openly claim heresy instead of only guessing I may be accused of it. A few of the comments (thanks, by the way) both on [...]

]]> By: subversivechurch http://blog.amoslanka.com/2008/08/15/the-post-where-i-officially-claim-heresy-while-discussing-jesus-for-president/#comment-626 subversivechurch Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:27:29 +0000 http://amoslanka.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-626 Glad to have a fellow traveller on this heretical path. Heretical to what, however? The staus quo? Or common accepted pratice? Is it possible that the average Hebrew joe is like the average evangelical joe? And in being the same, Jesus' message was listened to by the masses, but only carried out and followed to the end by a few? Not like some group of elitists, Jesus admonished his followers for those tendancies, but rather like a ragtag band of misfits hoping for something more in this life. I love the writings of Paul, but I ...WARNING, HERESY AHEAD... find his need to 'prove' his faith and his authority concerning. I wonder if it doesn't lay the foundation for the church marrying into political power later on. The early church proves its authority by siding with the kingdom of man and... you have to read Consantine's Sword, that is all I can say. Even if you read the first few chapters in a bookstore. -mike And P.S. I think you'll be satisfied with the ending. I have said all along, Jesus for President is a dangerous book. Dangerous, blue pill stuff. Glad to have a fellow traveller on this heretical path. Heretical to what, however? The staus quo? Or common accepted pratice? Is it possible that the average Hebrew joe is like the average evangelical joe? And in being the same, Jesus’ message was listened to by the masses, but only carried out and followed to the end by a few? Not like some group of elitists, Jesus admonished his followers for those tendancies, but rather like a ragtag band of misfits hoping for something more in this life.

I love the writings of Paul, but I …WARNING, HERESY AHEAD… find his need to ‘prove’ his faith and his authority concerning. I wonder if it doesn’t lay the foundation for the church marrying into political power later on. The early church proves its authority by siding with the kingdom of man and… you have to read Consantine’s Sword, that is all I can say. Even if you read the first few chapters in a bookstore.

-mike

And P.S.

I think you’ll be satisfied with the ending. I have said all along, Jesus for President is a dangerous book. Dangerous, blue pill stuff.

]]> By: markcole http://blog.amoslanka.com/2008/08/15/the-post-where-i-officially-claim-heresy-while-discussing-jesus-for-president/#comment-624 markcole Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:23:42 +0000 http://amoslanka.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-624 Both the Republicans and the Democrats have a God-complex that I think Jesus would have a problem with. Both of them are thinking in terms of the American empire solving all of the world's problems. This is not what the Bible says. Jesus is going to (or has) solve all the world's problems. I've read the whole book - and it does not come down on either the McCain or Obama side decisively. Jesus is not on the ballot. Jesus unites the thought of God's kingdom as both an earth now thing and a heaven future thing in the Lord's prayer. "Thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven." So the kingdom of God can be an enroute thing as we let Jesus be Lord (president) and our love increases. So I don't think you are a heretic. Both the Republicans and the Democrats have a God-complex that I think Jesus would have a problem with. Both of them are thinking in terms of the American empire solving all of the world’s problems. This is not what the Bible says. Jesus is going to (or has) solve all the world’s problems. I’ve read the whole book – and it does not come down on either the McCain or Obama side decisively. Jesus is not on the ballot.

Jesus unites the thought of God’s kingdom as both an earth now thing and a heaven future thing in the Lord’s prayer. “Thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.” So the kingdom of God can be an enroute thing as we let Jesus be Lord (president) and our love increases.

So I don’t think you are a heretic.

]]> By: rae http://blog.amoslanka.com/2008/08/15/the-post-where-i-officially-claim-heresy-while-discussing-jesus-for-president/#comment-621 rae Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:23:29 +0000 http://amoslanka.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-621 i stumbled onto your myspace from israel beachys, and then to your blog. i've got you on my google reader now. :) great post! i stumbled onto your myspace from israel beachys, and then to your blog. i’ve got you on my google reader now. :) great post!

]]> By: daniel http://blog.amoslanka.com/2008/08/15/the-post-where-i-officially-claim-heresy-while-discussing-jesus-for-president/#comment-617 daniel Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:43:27 +0000 http://amoslanka.wordpress.com/?p=730#comment-617 dude, i like the thoughtful post. and the God-complex stuff is really good...i've never thought of it that way. thanks dude, i like the thoughtful post. and the God-complex stuff is really good…i’ve never thought of it that way.

thanks

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